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BurningBush
The Christian message board www.bibleforums.org has recently banned all discussion and references to the On The Lot submission “Not My Religion”. The moderators at bibleforums were quoted stating “It is very offensive to Christians _ and should be to you .. “ “It is offensive to portray God/Christ
in that manner. being lustfully attacked by a mermaid and making out with her” the moderators went on to say “I think it does more harm than good, simply because the author of this film is putting Jesus Christ into the same category as a fictious character.” “"Not my religion" openly mocks what Jesus Christ did for all of us”
As an open minded individual I am stunned and dumbfounded that such anger, hatred and fear could be focused on such a beautiful and well crafted story, filled with metaphors and stunning visuals.
“Not My Religion” can be seen at:
http://films.thelot.com/films/15626

Charlie Croker
Any film that offends the people on www.bibleforums.org has to be a winner in my book!

I have nothing against God..it's His fan club I can't stand.

So many Christians..not enough lions

Mika
Any film that offends the people on www.bibleforums.org has to be a winner in my book!

I have nothing against God..it's His fan club I can't stand.

So many Christians..not enough lions
AMEN........... i can't stand church people....nothing against god but screw them

Ozma
Any film that offends the people on www.bibleforums.org has to be a winner in my book!

I am with Charlie......IMO those people are scary.

Paler Shade
Hmmmm. Since I'm a Christian I'll take the other side of the battle. ;) www.bibleforums.org is a privately owned and run forum. They have every right in the world to remove ANYTHING that THEY deem offensive. The same is done on this board. Sooooo, what's the difference? :confused:

Charlie Croker
Hmmmm. Since I'm a Christian I'll take the other side of the battle. ;) www.bibleforums.org is a privately owned and run forum. They have every right in the world to remove ANYTHING that THEY deem offensive. The same is done on this board. Sooooo, what's the difference? :confused:

Don't take it personally, Paler..I'm not anti-Christian..I'm anti religion. They can remove anything they want from they're forum..as you say it's privately owned. But I'll still support any film that gets the Church and Christians up in arms...or gets any religious groups spitting fire. I think the amount of 'spirituality' and 'peace' believing in any 'God' brings any person is far, far outweighed by the amount of death and killing that has always and will continue to be done 'in the name of religion'

'My God's bigger than your God' is a long running, pointless and very, very dangerous game.

Mika
Hmmmm. Since I'm a Christian I'll take the other side of the battle. ;) www.bibleforums.org is a privately owned and run forum. They have every right in the world to remove ANYTHING that THEY deem offensive. The same is done on this board. Sooooo, what's the difference? :confused:
because it's our board not his....he can remove what ever he wants off his board but needs to leave ours alone..... ;)

Ozma
Hmmmm. Since I'm a Christian I'll take the other side of the battle. ;) www.bibleforums.org is a privately owned and run forum. They have every right in the world to remove ANYTHING that THEY deem offensive. The same is done on this board. Sooooo, what's the difference? :confused:Yes they have that right. We aren't a religious or anti-religious forum, we only remove porn links. That is the only thing we find offensive here.

Mika
Be nice for the buddy christ lol........... :p
http://www.dogma-movie.com/pics/church/images/bigguysm.jpg

i hope this doesn't offend burningbush...... :eek:

Ozma
Don't take it personally, Paler..I'm not anti-Christian..I'm anti religion. They can remove anything they want from they're forum..as you say it's privately owned. But I'll still support any film that gets the Church and Christians up in arms...or gets any religious groups spitting fire. I think the amount of 'spirituality' and 'peace' believing in any 'God' brings any person is far, far outweighed by the amount of death and killing that has always and will continue to be done 'in the name of religion'

'My God's bigger than your God' is a long running, pointless and very, very dangerous game.
Damn you always take the words right out of my mouth. More people have been killed in the name of which God to believe in than for any other reason in the entire history of the world.
I really feel very strongly religion and politics have no place on a movie board, but since the initial post was in regards to a movie I left it here.

Paler Shade
....... i can't stand church people....

You make a sweeping accusation there Mika. I'll consider myself on your list then.


And Charlie mate, I've know your position for years, and I still luvs ya. And you know my position. We're still friends now, aren't we? :)

Ozma
You make a sweeping accusation there Mika. I'll consider myself on your list then.


And Charlie mate, I've know your position for years, and I still luvs ya. And you know my position. We're still friends now, aren't we? :)Yes I agree mika went overboard...I feel a person's beliefs are a very personal thing, and who can say what is real and what is not, that is where faith comes into play. I meant no disrespect to anybody in regards to their religious beliefs.

Deviant Anomaly
I am not anti-anything. I believe people have the right to believe whatever they choose. As long as we are not bothering each other, then I say live and let live.

I think the real issue here is not religion, but censorship. I absolutely hate when someone tells me I can't watch, listen or read something because it offends them. So what? I am quite capable of deciding what does or does not offend me. So I think this religious group's cause would be much better served if they allowed people to have discussions about this movie. Then their members could at least attempt an informed decision rather than having someone else's forced upon them.

Charlie Croker
You make a sweeping accusation there Mika. I'll consider myself on your list then.


And Charlie mate, I've know your position for years, and I still luvs ya. And you know my position. We're still friends now, aren't we? :)

Of course we are, Paler..I know your faith and beliefs have got you through times of personal hardship and grief..and if it works for you.. then that's just fine and dandy.

Just as long as you don't expect me to share your beliefs or you try to force your beliefs upon me or persecute me for not having those same beliefs..which I know you never will.
Religion, if you 'have it', should be a personal thing anyway and if someone doesn't have the same faith as you..that is not a reason to kill them or demand that all believers of your faith have the right to kill non believers.

Sadly this has not been the case around the world over the last couple of Millennia and sadly looks like continuing into this one...

MattParks
Of course, this all started as a pretty blatent ploy by someone to get us to watch his short film :rolleyes:

I should point out, too, that there is a long tradition of banning and attempting to ban films in both the US and the UK, so that's hardly novel.

Mika
I am not anti-anything. I believe people have the right to believe whatever they choose. As long as we are not bothering each other, then I say live and let live.

I think the real issue here is not religion, but censorship. I absolutely hate when someone tells me I can't watch, listen or read something because it offends them. So what? I am quite capable of deciding what does or does not offend me. So I think this religious group's cause would be much better served if they allowed people to have discussions about this movie. Then their members could at least attempt an informed decision rather than having someone else's forced upon them.
that's exactly what im talking about great post deviant....

and paler i didn't mean to make such a broad and rude accusation cause i don't dislike all religeous people it's just that people that go to church have called me and my family bad people because we don't go to church......doesn't somewhere in the bible it state that you shouldn't judge people????????? im pretty sure it does and when i get around really religious people all they ever talk about is how people are terrible for not going to church......i have never done drugs i drink very rarely i don't break the law but since i don't go to church that makes me a bad person, so i said the hell with that a long time ago...paler i really don't think your that kind of person and im not dogging for your faith and i respect it alot and i didn't mean to offend you or put you under the impression that i don't like you cause i do........

im sorry if i offended anybody i just think it's wrong to judge people and say that people aren't good cause their not religous, and because i watch movies that have nudity and sex in them im a horrible person and i don't think any of you are like that.....just want to say sorry especially to you paler...

Ozma
We all might not beleive in the same things, but we are all open minded people.

To each his own and to thine own self be true.

Charlie Croker
Hang on a minute.....the people that run the forum are Christians, yes?
The people who made the film have offended them, yes?

So why don't the Christians just forgive them? As it says in the Bible..."as we forgive those who tresspass against us".

Not very 'Christian'.. are they, boys and girls?

Ozma
Hang on a minute.....the people that run the forum are Christians, yes?
The people who made the film have offended them, yes?

So why don't the Christians just forgive them? As it says in the Bible..."as we forgive those who tresspass against us".

Not very 'Christian'.. are they, boys and girls?That has always been my big gripe about some religious people/groups, they are not very tolerant of others..isn't there something about 'judge not'..I will admit I am not real familiar with the bible. All I know is I don't feel the need to roam door to door through the neighborhoods of the world trying to get people to believe as I do.
Most of my religious/christian friends are just like me though, they never try to force their beliefs on me or others. I am never compelled to try to turn people into Agnostics....make them see the light, or lack there of.

Deviant Anomaly
To each his own and to thine own self be true.

Amen, Oz. :D

Charlie Croker
What bugs me most about Christians is that it's always the Christians who are on street corners with a Bible and a bullhorn telling us we're all going to Hell unless we let Jesus into our lives..or worst still preaching to a captive audience on a crowded tube train.
You never ever see other faiths doing that do you? You never get Jews or Muslims or even those religious Nazis, the Roman Catholics berating strangers in the street or on public transport..it's ALWAYS Christians. I know the Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door but you can always shut the door in their face..but preaching on a crowded train is really out of order. Where can you go to get away from it..??? Thank God for high volumes on the MP3 player is all I can say..I usually select AC/DC's Highway To Hell and crank it so loud that not only do I drown out the preacher but he can hear what I'm listening to...double whammy!
The thing is..I bet not one single person who has to put up with these religious rants in a public place thinks "That religious nutter has a point I think I'll go to Church on Sunday" if you're religious then these people are preaching to the converted..literally..and if you aren't religious an annoying wanker with a hand made 'Jesus Saves' sign round his neck and a bullhorn isn't going to convert you. Besides..if 'letting Jesus into your life' turns you into that sort of annoying public nuisance..I'd rather live without him in mine, thank you very much!

There's always a posse of God Botherers (handing out Bible tracts and telling us we're all going to Hell ) outside the Annual Witchfest where ironically most of the attendees are Pagans and who believe the Pagan creed "Do as thou whilst but harm no one"..a notion a lot of these Christians would do well to take on board.

Paler Shade
Mama always told me, "Never try to win a Religious discussion young Paler, it's like polishing a turd, you can't do it. You just end up with sh!t all over you." And you know what? Mama was always right. But that hasn't stopped me yet. ;) Here comes some turd polishing.

If you're going to use The Bible against a Christian, of which I'm one, then don't take Scripture out of context. By using Matthew 7:1 you must take into consideration what is found before the verse AND after the verse. Context as the case may be. Matthew 7:1 does indeed state, and I quote, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Fair enough. But since it was man who decided to cut up the Scripture into Chapters and Verses the flow of the Scripture is interrupted. Go one verse back to Matthew 6:34, which is the preceeding verse, which says in part "Sufficient unto the day is the evil." And then the following verse to Matthew 7:1 (7:2) which states, "For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." What this means is that the Christian should take into account HIMSELF, before he attempts to take into account his brother. Therein follows the parable of the mote and the beam. This explains everything so much better.

And Charlie, you stated, "You never ever see other faiths doing that do you? You never get Jews or Muslims or even those religious Nazis, the Roman Catholics berating strangers in the street or on public transport..it's ALWAYS Christians."

No, the Muslims just strap a bomb to themselves and blow up those who don't agree with their faith.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone here. I've never done that and I don't plan to start now. I live my faith. A few of you know that. Now the rest of you do too. I will not defend the mindless morons who want to beat you over your heads with their Bibles. But I will defend my own personal faith.

Ozma
Damn, that's what I am, a Pagan...I have seen the light, thank you Charlie... :D

Charlie Croker
No, the Muslims just strap a bomb to themselves and blow up those who don't agree with their faith

Not ALL Muslims are fanatics..(in ther same way that not all Christians are a pain in the arse)..but I take your point..

And I should point out the kind of people I am against (regardless of which version of God they worship) are fanatics..those that believe their 'God' is the true God and everyone else is wrong. Having the unshakable belief that whatever you do in the name of your God is THE RIGHT THING and that God is on your side is a very, very dangerous state of affairs..whether they be Born Again Christians, Muslim Fundamentalists, Hassidic Jews or Roman Catholics...


Damn, that's what I am, a Pagan...I have seen the light, thank you Charlie...

Blessed Be, Oz...Blessed Be. ;)

http://www.ukpaganlinks.co.uk/images/kbp160x160.gif

Paler Shade
And I do so know that I will never win a "Religious argument" BUT and AGAIN, if y'all are going to quote The Bible to use it against a Christian's faith, you better come well loaded and well versed.

It doesn't matter what type of "religious argument" I take a part in the old chestnut of Matthew 7:1 always pops up as the other sides defense. I always retort with John 7:24, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." The bolds are mine.

I've said my piece and I'm done with this thread.

Ozma
I think we all should put this subject to bed.

Good night and Good luck. :)

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